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If you use a Mac and ChemDraw, learn the procedure to copy-and-paste ChemDraw elements for roundtrip editing with MS Office 2016 documents. The changed occurred after Microsoft Office 2011 (Mac) and staying with that version of Office is not a viable long-term solution. |
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Summary, for end-users
If you use a Mac and ChemDraw, now is the time to learn the procedure to copy-and-paste ChemDraw elements for roundtrip editing with MS Office 2016 documents. The changed occurred after Microsoft Office 2011 (Mac) and staying with that version of Office is not a viable long-term solution.
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- http://it.chem.cornell.edu/2016/12/19/new-chemdraw-16-mac-roundtrip-editing/
- http://it.chem.cornell.edu/2015/10/30/chemit-flash-2015-10/
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What you need to know: Mac's MS Office and ChemDraw
The procedure to copy-and-paste ChemDraw elements for roundtrip editing with MS Office documents changed after Microsoft Office 2011 (Mac)
Microsoft changed how pasting works in Office 2016 for the Mac:
- http://forums.cambridgesoft.com/messageview.aspx?catid=12&threadid=3415
- http://forums.cambridgesoft.com/messageview.aspx?catid=12&threadid=3187
Similar programs have the exact same issue, also requiring you to "Paste as PDF" on the Mac:
- https://www.chemdoodle.com/features/universality/
- Round-trip Editing: Round-trip editing allows you to insert content into 3rd party applications, and then place that same content back into ChemDoodle from that 3rd party application for further editing. Round-trip editing is supported on Windows through OLE, Mac OS X via PDF and on Linux with OpenOffice.
Continuing to use Microsoft Office 2011 (Mac) is not sustainable
Up to now (as of August 2017), most .Most people in our department have up to this point managed this change by continuing to use Office 2011 for Word and PowerPoint. This strategy is not sustainable for the reasons cited below.
1) . To wit, Microsoft is dropping support of Office 2011 this October. And a forthcoming macOS version may not properly support Office 2011. Microsoft currently offers just Office 2016, and no other version is available for download via Office 365 to personal computers.
There are no great options. One option is to learn to paste a ChemDraw object into Word or PowerPoint differently:
- Step one is unchanged: copy (⌘+C).
- Step two has changed:Paste as PDF (⌘+Control+V) instead of drag and drop into an Office 2016 document.
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- Statement still valid, as of 8/2017.
2) End of mainstream support (no more security patching) for Microsoft Office 2011 on October 2017.
3) Also, support may end simply by virtue of new Mac OS's. For example, macOS 10.13 "High Sierra" has a new file system (APFS). Although APFS nominally may run any software newer than ~2009, might not for some specifically such as MS Office 2011. Example:
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Info more for Chemistry IT staff
Status in Chemistry:
As of 1/17/17August 2017:
Researchers and others to perhaps reach out to , in person:
| Person | Notes |
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| Pete Wolczanski <ptw2> | |
| Geoff Coates <gc39> | |
| Dave Collum <dbc6> | |
| Others? |
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| Method | Dates, aprox | Notes | |
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| Documented (wiki) | Fall 2016 | Done, always being added to. | |
| Newsletter (and News item) | Aug 2017 | Initially noted to ourselves to do Do "now", as of Jan 17, 2017. | |
| Talk about and meet with groups and individuals | Do? | See above table. | |
| Computing Cmt's role? |
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What and where is the metadata embedded in files which can roundtrip?
- For Figure this out for both TIFF (paste onto the desktop, for example) and(?) PDF (as in "Paste as PDF").
What of Apple's applications?
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From ChemDraw to the following type of Word file: | Tested file on left on a Mac: Open in Word (Office 2011) => ChemDraw | Tested file on left on a Mac: Open in Word (Office 2016) => ChemDraw
| Tested file on left on Windows: Word (Office 2016) => ChemDraw |
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Created/ edit on a Mac: Office 2011 (Word):
| OK | OK | FAIL |
Created/ edit on a Mac: Office 2011 (Word):
| OK | OK | FAIL |
Created/ edit on a Mac: Office 2016 (Word):
| FAIL | FAIL | FAIL |
Created/ edit on a Mac: Office 2016 (Word):
| OK | OK | FAIL |
Created/ edit on a Windows: Any Office version (Word):
| OK? | OK? | OK? |
See also:
http://www.cambridgesoft.com/support/DesktopSupport/KnowledgeBase/SystemRequirements/
- http://disq.us/p/z7dtk1
End of mainstream support (no more security patching) for Microsoft Office 2011 on October 2017
Also, support may end simply by virtue of new Mac OS's. For example, macOS 10.13 "High Sierra" has a new file system (APFS). Although APFS nominally may run any software newer than ~2009, might not for some specifically such as MS Office 2011. Example:
Microsoft changed how pasting works in Office 2016 for the Mac
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Issues with Round trip editing on Macs
- For those using Office 2011 on Macs, it was possible to be able to drag and drop from Chemdraw into Word 2011 and drag and drop the image back into Chemdraw for editing. This is no longer the case for Office 2016.
- Dragging and dropping from ChemDraw 15.1 to Word 2016 will paste an image into the Word document but the image will NOT be editable
- Copying(⌘+C) and Pasting (⌘+V) will only paste text into Word(2016)
- IMPORTANT: Opening a an old Office 2011 file in Office 2016 and re-saving it will not affect the images already in the document (you can drag them into Chemdraw for editing). However, anything dragged into Office 2016 will still not be editable.
- You must instead "Paste as PDF" (via menu or via ⌘+Control+V).
- You must instead "Paste as PDF" (via menu or via ⌘+Control+V).
Workarounds:
Supporting documentation
- Use "Paste as PDF" instead of dragging and dropping. Copy the image from ChemDraw(⌘+C) and "Paste as PDF" that object into Word 2016 using ⌘+Control+V (instead of plain "Paste", or ⌘+V).
- Use another program? Put one we found seems to also require "Paste as PDF" on the Mac:httpschemdoodlefeaturesuniversality
- Round-trip Editing: Round-trip editing allows you to insert content into 3rd party applications, and then place that same content back into ChemDoodle from that 3rd party application for further editing. Round-trip editing is supported on Windows through OLE, Mac OS X via PDF and on Linux with OpenOffice.
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- http://disq.us/p/z7dtk1
- http://media.cambridgesoft.com/support/manuals/15_1/ChemOffice%20v15.1%20Release%20Notes.pdf
7 Known Issues, Limitations and Workarounds (as of download date 10/31/2016)
The following list describes the known issues, limitations, and workarounds for ChemOffice 15.1:
• When you copy any object from ChemDraw (Mac) and paste (default) in MS Word 2016, it pastes an MOL text version of that object instead of the original object view.
o Workaround: Use the 'Paste Special >> PDF option in MS Word to get the original object view pasted. This PDF object can be copied back to ChemDraw by maintaining all ChemDraw object properties.