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See also

• Chen - Consult on scaling up image processing work

Purpose of page

Write down concerns, ideas, and efforts as understood by Chemistry IT so research group members can review and correct.

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Chen Computational Server

1) Confirm support (draft)

Chemistry IT to do or figure out

Where in our 248 Baker Lab server farm? CPU and UPS. Power, switch/ networking.

Still need to confirm we can "turn off" logging into Windows using NetIDs.

• System is AD-based Windows using group's instrument account. And VNC remote access tool uses AD group to enable access by NetID, so confirm that still also works with any changes made to restricting Windows log-on.

Chen Group to do or figure out

Confirm no storage backup since can rerun computations potentially lost. If hard drive breas, Chemistry IT can re-install and configure OS and applications. But all group data and results will be lost.

Does the analogy of using the server as a "toaster" resonate and work? The only time a failure of the server impacts work is when a job is being calculated. Once the data has been analyzed, the server should no longer have a copy of the original data analysed, nor the results. Those are like the bread, in a toaster.

Chemistry IT's select roles and responsibilities

• Be responsive and respectful of requests from the Chen group, including requests for software installations. Includes:
  • Installing or removing applications, configuring CPU threading.
• Conduct regular maintenance by Chemistry IT
  • At least every 3 months, work requires the system be taken off-line. Usually able to accomplish updates within a morning. Scheduled for every 3 months for a specific place-holder date and reminders that all jobs will be stopped are sent 2 weeks, then 1 week, then 1 day before the maintenance. On day-of work, any remaining jobs are terminated by Chemistry IT so they can accomplish the required work.
• Chemistry IT installs and maintains the OS and application updates and upgrades. Configures and maintains remote access technology.

Chen group's select roles and responsibilities

• Be responsive and respectful of requests from Chemistry IT, including planning around maintenance or emergency technical work.
• Understand that access will require using a VPN if accessing the server from personal computers, or from eduroam/ RedRover, or from home.
  • VPN is not required if server is accessed from current group's computational computers.
• Understand server is for processing data, not for on-going storage of data or results. Maintain data hygiene on server's storage drive to ensure that:
  • Server never has collected data that is not primarily available elsewhere. Once data has been analyzed, that data should be deleted from the server.
  • Group members do not use the server for long-term storage of results. Results should be copied elsewhere (example: Group's file share) and then deleted from the server.

2) Deciding on the final specs

This step enables Chemistry IT to get a "final" quote for Peng's review. If approved, Chemistry IT can place the order.

Below on this page is an outline on the costs and trade-offs of likely computation bottlenecks, for Peng's consideration.

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Server: Dell R440

$4,016.14 itself, plus:

• Any upgrades of the server's processors or memory (below).
• Server's storage drive (below): $100-900 (not necessarily Dell).

Other anticipated, related costs:

• Uninterruptible power supply (UPS):
• Licensing: MatLab
  • Move from existing workstation (no change in annual costs), or add a license?
• Licensing: VNC
  • $xx (per year?)
• Unlikely: Switch or other networking. Use existing infrastructure, paid by others.
• Unlikely: Rack or other physical provisioning costs. Use small portion of existing infrastructure, paid by others.

1) Processors

The server will have two Xeon Intel processors.

Confirm specifically which ones to invest in.

Many, many more options, for more money with gradations similar to the above, up to a 22-core (which is about $6,000 more).

• See price sheet if open to spending more for processors.

2) Memory (RAM)

3) Storage (hard drive)

For performance, support, and maintenance, purchase a server-class, single, larger SSD drive.

• Dell pricing: ~$0.8 to $1/GB
• Non-Dell (for same drives?): Q: $0.5 to $0.6/GB?

Strategy: To get a significant price reduction, consider buying the drive separately from Dell server. Even though more cost-effective, still will be serviced under (a non-Dell) warranty.

• Quote server with cheapest drive available (and don't use), if can't buy without a hard drive.

Many, many more options, whether for more or less storage.

• Use $/GB ratios above to estimate price for other desired sizes.
• See price sheet for specific options with Dell's pricing.

4) Warranty

Most research groups expect to use server investments for 5 years. And hope for more years, beyond the 5.

Normal warranty is for 3 years, but can instead get for 4 or 5 years.

• Question: Worth getting quotes for adding 4th and 5th year warranty, vs. base of 3 years?

Most groups take a risk for years 4 and 5, taking into account (1) rapid technological obsolesce and (2) historically low failure rates.

• Thus, groups are prepared to pay for fixes, or buy new, rather than put initial money into a more extended warranty.
• Can manage risk buy buying more years up-front, up to 5.

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Request from group: Buy a server to process multiple Matlab calculation simultaneously

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Considerations, expectations, and outstanding questions:

• Windows Server or Linux server OS?
  • Past testing by researchers have yielded faster processing on servers running Linux than Windows. Some researchers only comfortable working within Windows.
  • If Windows Server used, buy ~$100 software on server (free clients) to enable moving large amounts of data to server more speedily.
  • If Windows Server used, Chemistry IT must work out the "how", with group's input. Examples of unknowns:
    • How will user accounts and their access work? How many simultaneously? Per user accounts or shared accounts? How manage contention, if desired by group?
• Coordinate There will be monthly (or maybe every 3 months) shutdown periods to ensure baseline patching and OS, file-share and hardware checking..
  • Chemistry IT will coordinate with group, as we do for many other servers we manage for other research groups.

• Chemistry IT expects group to purchase and maintain an adequately sized, rack-mount uninterruptible poser supply (UPS) for servers we manage.

  • Approximate cost is $200-450; need to size correctly. Expect batteries to last 3-4 years easily.
• Budget about $200 (reality-check amount with Michael Hint) for hardware costs related to the rack and networking required.
  • Chemistry IT can often contribute some used items "free", too, if available and of adequate quality.
  Any value in Dual 10-Gigabit Ethernet?

Server spec suggestions and costs

Dell's help for choosing processors, memory, and hard drives/ SSD's (respectively) for their R440 server, valid as of 8/9/2018:

• https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/04/help-me-choose/hmc-processor-intel-xeon-14g
  • Pricing via KFS: Dell-R440-Procs.JPG
• https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/04/help-me-choose/hmc-memory-14g
  • Pricing via KFS: Dell-R440-RAM-128GB.JPG
• https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/04/help-me-choose/hmc-server-hard-drive
  • Pricing via KFS: Dell-R440-SSD.JPG

Core prices snap-shot

• Prices taken 12/22/2017
• Prices go up dramatically with both core-count and processor speeds.
  • Cache sizes and power consumption also increase with capabilities.
• This chart of estimated marginal costs is a sub-set of options pulled from <https://www.thinkmate.com/system/rax-xs4-21s1-sh> and <https://www.thinkmate.com/system/rax-xs4-21s1-10g>, focusing on SLOWEST procs to reduce costs. Other, more expensive-per-proc (faster) options available.

Why server with 2 processors? Why not one or four, for example?

No savings buying just a one-processor server, especially if want more cores. JUST the price of the process jumps by the cost of an entire server!

• +$5,080: 16 total cores => 24 total cores (one proc)

Consider four processors only if needed and can afford many more cores. Option is not cost-effective for the core-counts we are currently looking at. Other considerations:

• Currently, only older processors are currently as  an option with four-processor servers.
• Server prices START at about $12,000, for 32 total cores.
• Core counts and price upgrades are "times 4", not "times 2".

What if need more than 2TB total storage?

If need more than 2TB total, likely must use more complicated, multiple storage option.

• We can dig deeper to confirm this, if necessary to decision-making.
• More storage likely will be slower, even is sticking to SSDs.

An example of an option to get more than 2TB storage:

First: Choose boot drive, which can be small. For example:

• OS only: 512GB Samsung 960 PRO M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive (cost is $399)

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THEN: Choose a single main storage drive. Some examples and their costs:

• Data ONLY fast SSD:
  • 3.84TB => $1,500 - 2,100
  • 7.68TB => $3,000
• Data ONLY slow spinning, compared to current desktop's much faster SSD:
  • 4TB => $200
  • 8TB => $350
  • 12TB => $650

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Status

10/5/17: Oliver met with Mahdi <mh2356> and Kushal <ks2285>. Action steps to have Peng review and refine:

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• Confirm if any campus computing is a good fit for the group: CISER, RedCloud (likely only if code can be and is parallelized), David Botsh's cluster(?), others?
• Group may benefit from optimizing workflow at various workstations.

Prior conversations, for historical background